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		<title>By: Motivate. &#171; Something Beautiful.</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/10/29/motivate-creative-people/comment-page-1/#comment-325576</link>
		<dc:creator>Motivate. &#171; Something Beautiful.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jul 2011 03:20:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuinness</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/10/29/motivate-creative-people/comment-page-1/#comment-248295</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuinness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:11:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The fastest runners win the all the races, the best students get the top marks, the laziest people have the &#039;worst&#039; luck - looks like everything is a circular argument. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

No it doesn&#039;t. &#039;Right / wrong&#039; is an either/or proposition. It assumes there is a &#039;right&#039; answer, but is too vague to help us find it. The other examples you cite are comparatives, with more specific criteria - much easier to evaluate. 

&lt;blockquote&gt;Rewarding the behaviour you want to get and punishing that which you wish to deter is the principal control system employed by all societies.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Control leads to compliance, not motivation.

&lt;blockquote&gt;What you reward may of course be &#039;intrinsic&#039;.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Robert, the word &#039;intrinsic&#039; means something that is inherent in the thing itself, unaffected by extrinsic factors such as rewards. So &#039;what you reward&#039; is by definition not intrinsic. 

Managers can encourage and facilitate intrinsic rewards (see my piece on &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/11/03/motivating-creative-people-the-joy-of-work/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Joy of Work&lt;/a&gt;) but &#039;motivating&#039; them through rewards is pie in the sky. 

If you don&#039;t believe me, maybe you&#039;ll believe Dan Pink: &lt;a href=&quot;http://lateralaction.com/articles/dan-pink-rewards/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why Rewards Don&#039;t Work&lt;/a&gt;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The fastest runners win the all the races, the best students get the top marks, the laziest people have the &#8216;worst&#8217; luck &#8211; looks like everything is a circular argument. </p></blockquote>
<p>No it doesn&#8217;t. &#8216;Right / wrong&#8217; is an either/or proposition. It assumes there is a &#8216;right&#8217; answer, but is too vague to help us find it. The other examples you cite are comparatives, with more specific criteria &#8211; much easier to evaluate. </p>
<blockquote><p>Rewarding the behaviour you want to get and punishing that which you wish to deter is the principal control system employed by all societies.</p></blockquote>
<p>Control leads to compliance, not motivation.</p>
<blockquote><p>What you reward may of course be &#8216;intrinsic&#8217;.</p></blockquote>
<p>Robert, the word &#8216;intrinsic&#8217; means something that is inherent in the thing itself, unaffected by extrinsic factors such as rewards. So &#8216;what you reward&#8217; is by definition not intrinsic. </p>
<p>Managers can encourage and facilitate intrinsic rewards (see my piece on <a href="http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/11/03/motivating-creative-people-the-joy-of-work/" rel="nofollow">The Joy of Work</a>) but &#8216;motivating&#8217; them through rewards is pie in the sky. </p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t believe me, maybe you&#8217;ll believe Dan Pink: <a href="http://lateralaction.com/articles/dan-pink-rewards/" rel="nofollow">Why Rewards Don&#8217;t Work</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seviour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seviour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 15:38:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[Unless we accept your circular logic – which I don’t – that the ‘right’ words must inevitably work – and if they don’t then you’ve got the ‘wrong’ words]

The fastest runners win the all the races, the best students get the top marks, the laziest people have the &#039;worst&#039; luck - looks like everything is a circular argument. Might be a problem having a discussion about anything if one takes this perspective

Rewarding the behaviour you want to get and punishing that which you wish to deter is the principal control system employed by all societies.
What you reward may of course be &#039;intrinsic&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[Unless we accept your circular logic – which I don’t – that the ‘right’ words must inevitably work – and if they don’t then you’ve got the ‘wrong’ words]</p>
<p>The fastest runners win the all the races, the best students get the top marks, the laziest people have the &#8216;worst&#8217; luck &#8211; looks like everything is a circular argument. Might be a problem having a discussion about anything if one takes this perspective</p>
<p>Rewarding the behaviour you want to get and punishing that which you wish to deter is the principal control system employed by all societies.<br />
What you reward may of course be &#8216;intrinsic&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuinness</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/10/29/motivate-creative-people/comment-page-1/#comment-243789</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuinness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 14:20:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;The right set of words delivered in the right manner does it every time.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Not every time, - sometimes, for some people, for a short while. You can&#039;t keep pumping it into people forever, if there&#039;s no real desire inside them.

(Unless we accept your circular logic - which I don&#039;t - that the &#039;right&#039; words must inevitably work - and if they don&#039;t then you&#039;ve got the &#039;wrong&#039; words.)

&lt;blockquote&gt;&#039;You get more of what you reward&#039;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Again - sometimes. Your article has some excellent suggestions for managers, about ways to reward and encourage employees. I particularly like your emphasis on being honest, clear and fair with people about the criteria against which they will be evaluated. 

But for me, it has too much emphasis on the manager and external rewards. That might be more appropriate for a sales team than a creative team, as salespeople are likely to be more focused on extrinsic rewards than creatives. 

See my article about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/11/10/rewards-for-work/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;extrinsic motivation&lt;/a&gt; for the pitfalls of over-emphasising rewards.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Works for dogs and people.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

That sounds a bit patronising to me. Maybe I&#039;ve not picked up your tone correctly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>The right set of words delivered in the right manner does it every time.</p></blockquote>
<p>Not every time, &#8211; sometimes, for some people, for a short while. You can&#8217;t keep pumping it into people forever, if there&#8217;s no real desire inside them.</p>
<p>(Unless we accept your circular logic &#8211; which I don&#8217;t &#8211; that the &#8216;right&#8217; words must inevitably work &#8211; and if they don&#8217;t then you&#8217;ve got the &#8216;wrong&#8217; words.)</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8216;You get more of what you reward&#8217;</p></blockquote>
<p>Again &#8211; sometimes. Your article has some excellent suggestions for managers, about ways to reward and encourage employees. I particularly like your emphasis on being honest, clear and fair with people about the criteria against which they will be evaluated. </p>
<p>But for me, it has too much emphasis on the manager and external rewards. That might be more appropriate for a sales team than a creative team, as salespeople are likely to be more focused on extrinsic rewards than creatives. </p>
<p>See my article about <a href="http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/11/10/rewards-for-work/" rel="nofollow">extrinsic motivation</a> for the pitfalls of over-emphasising rewards.</p>
<blockquote><p>Works for dogs and people.</p></blockquote>
<p>That sounds a bit patronising to me. Maybe I&#8217;ve not picked up your tone correctly.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Seviour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Seviour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Aug 2009 05:50:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is possible to motivate people; even to do things that they would never &#039;naturally&#039; want to. That&#039;s what happens in any war, the leaders inspire those under their command to go against their strongest feeling - self-preservation.
The tool used is words. The right set of words delivered in the right manner does it every time. All the best speeches in history are examples.

I agree completely about how a person&#039;s motivation can be lost by lack of recognition for a job well done. That really rankles and it takes a long time for the feelings to dissipate.

A great phrase which helps in remembering the right course is: &#039;You get more of what you reward&#039;. Works for dogs and people. See: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.seviourbooks.com/articles/how-to-motivate-sales-people.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;How to motivate salespeople&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is possible to motivate people; even to do things that they would never &#8216;naturally&#8217; want to. That&#8217;s what happens in any war, the leaders inspire those under their command to go against their strongest feeling &#8211; self-preservation.<br />
The tool used is words. The right set of words delivered in the right manner does it every time. All the best speeches in history are examples.</p>
<p>I agree completely about how a person&#8217;s motivation can be lost by lack of recognition for a job well done. That really rankles and it takes a long time for the feelings to dissipate.</p>
<p>A great phrase which helps in remembering the right course is: &#8216;You get more of what you reward&#8217;. Works for dogs and people. See: <a href="http://www.seviourbooks.com/articles/how-to-motivate-sales-people.htm" rel="nofollow">How to motivate salespeople</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ryan Stephens Marketing &#187; 11 Essential Blog Posts from February &#8216;09</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ryan Stephens Marketing &#187; 11 Essential Blog Posts from February &#8216;09</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 May 2009 01:39:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] How to Motivate Creative People - Mark McGuinness (Wishful Thinking) This is a great post leading up to a solid series on motivating people. The curling analogy and the discussion surrounding how to demotivate people take the post to another level, one worth bookmarking and highlighting here. How many managers actually take the time to understand what makes their employees tick? Think about how powerful it would be to leverage that motivation to build the companies&#8217; brand. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] How to Motivate Creative People &#8211; Mark McGuinness (Wishful Thinking) This is a great post leading up to a solid series on motivating people. The curling analogy and the discussion surrounding how to demotivate people take the post to another level, one worth bookmarking and highlighting here. How many managers actually take the time to understand what makes their employees tick? Think about how powerful it would be to leverage that motivation to build the companies&#8217; brand. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: How to Motivate Creative People - a good (and free) read! &#124; the design ducky</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/10/29/motivate-creative-people/comment-page-1/#comment-231051</link>
		<dc:creator>How to Motivate Creative People - a good (and free) read! &#124; the design ducky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Apr 2009 04:34:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read if you are dealing with creative people. The author, Mark McGuinness actually wrote them as a series of blog posts and the book is actually a combination of all the posts in one with a few extra bits [...]</description>
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		<title>By: PerchÃ© non impariamo dagli errori passati? &#124; Encob Blog</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/10/29/motivate-creative-people/comment-page-1/#comment-228649</link>
		<dc:creator>PerchÃ© non impariamo dagli errori passati? &#124; Encob Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Feb 2009 15:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] estrinsechi e intrinsechi, leggete la seguente serie di articoli sul sito di Wishfull Thinking: Come motivare le persone creative, La gioia del lavoro, Premi per il lavoro, Valori personali, Pressione degli altri e Trovare il [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuinness</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/2008/10/29/motivate-creative-people/comment-page-1/#comment-226339</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuinness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Jan 2009 18:18:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Matt, I like your three-step approach. And having run a few business trainings where attendance was mandatory, I can relate to your point about not always having the luxury of choosing the motivated ones! :-) In those cases I&#039;ve found it can really pay off, as you say to try and engage people buy their own personal interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Matt, I like your three-step approach. And having run a few business trainings where attendance was mandatory, I can relate to your point about not always having the luxury of choosing the motivated ones! <img src='http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  In those cases I&#8217;ve found it can really pay off, as you say to try and engage people buy their own personal interests.</p>
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		<title>By: Matt Samson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Samson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Dec 2008 16:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I teach 5th grade, so the comments, &quot;Just hire the motivated ones,&quot; don&#039;t apply to me.  Many of my students arrive at my door unmotivated.  Many have found ways to escape by doing the bare minimum.  As people, however, these students tend to be uninspired and lacking personal interests.  Tapping personal interests is the easiest way I&#039;ve found to motivate students.

Your theory is extremely helpful in thinking about how to manage a classroom.  One) find out what motivates students. Two) teach them how to do the basics they&#039;ll need to reach their goals.  Three) get the heck out of their way.  Once the kids know what it takes (for step two), most of what it takes is positive encouragement and recognition.  That&#039;s easy.  This frees up more of my time to coach the students who have a hard time learning step two.

&lt;em&gt;Matt Samson&#039;s last blog post..&lt;a href=&#039;http://alteredu.wordpress.com/2008/12/24/suppose-you-were-asked-to-start-your-own-school/&#039; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Suppose you were asked to start your own schoolâ€¦&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/em&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I teach 5th grade, so the comments, &#8220;Just hire the motivated ones,&#8221; don&#8217;t apply to me.  Many of my students arrive at my door unmotivated.  Many have found ways to escape by doing the bare minimum.  As people, however, these students tend to be uninspired and lacking personal interests.  Tapping personal interests is the easiest way I&#8217;ve found to motivate students.</p>
<p>Your theory is extremely helpful in thinking about how to manage a classroom.  One) find out what motivates students. Two) teach them how to do the basics they&#8217;ll need to reach their goals.  Three) get the heck out of their way.  Once the kids know what it takes (for step two), most of what it takes is positive encouragement and recognition.  That&#8217;s easy.  This frees up more of my time to coach the students who have a hard time learning step two.</p>
<p><em>Matt Samson&#8217;s last blog post..<a href='http://alteredu.wordpress.com/2008/12/24/suppose-you-were-asked-to-start-your-own-school/' rel="nofollow">Suppose you were asked to start your own schoolâ€¦</a></em></p>
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