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	<title>Comments on: Research Project: Definition of &#8216;Creative Industries&#8217;</title>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuinness</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-29872</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuinness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 22 Mar 2007 09:12:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Janet, yes it has provoked a lot of debate!  I don't know about Norway but here are links for the UK Government's Creative Industries Mapping Documents -

&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.culture.gov.uk/Reference_library/Publications/archive_1998/Creative_Industries_Mapping_Document_1998.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Creative Industries Mapping Document - 1998&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.culture.gov.uk/Reference_library/Publications/archive_2001/ci_mapping_doc_2001.htm" rel="nofollow"&gt;Creative Industries Mapping Document - 2001 &lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Janet, yes it has provoked a lot of debate!  I don&#8217;t know about Norway but here are links for the UK Government&#8217;s Creative Industries Mapping Documents -</p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.culture.gov.uk/Reference_library/Publications/archive_1998/Creative_Industries_Mapping_Document_1998.htm" rel="nofollow">Creative Industries Mapping Document - 1998</a></p>
<p><a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.culture.gov.uk/Reference_library/Publications/archive_2001/ci_mapping_doc_2001.htm" rel="nofollow">Creative Industries Mapping Document - 2001 </a></p>
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		<title>By: janet pagan</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-28903</link>
		<dc:creator>janet pagan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 14:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am also looking into a definition of "creative industries".  I am puzzled by the inclusion of  the broad category "software" (rather than the narrower Leisure or entertainment software) in many definitions (UK, Norway governments).  Do you happen to know the reasoning behind this?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am also looking into a definition of &#8220;creative industries&#8221;.  I am puzzled by the inclusion of  the broad category &#8220;software&#8221; (rather than the narrower Leisure or entertainment software) in many definitions (UK, Norway governments).  Do you happen to know the reasoning behind this?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuinness</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-27245</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuinness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it didn't strike me as obvious at first, and there will be plenty of people out there who disagree with that definition...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it didn&#8217;t strike me as obvious at first, and there will be plenty of people out there who disagree with that definition&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-27242</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:06:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sounds obvious, now you say it!

Thanks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sounds obvious, now you say it!</p>
<p>Thanks!</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuinness</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-27212</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuinness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Mar 2007 13:25:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Personally I think of the creative industries as industries where creativity IS the product rather than a means of creating the product.

E.g. a lot of creativity goes into the development of a new drug or car, but most people probably wouldn't think of these items as 'creative artefacts' - whereas I think most people would say 'creative artefact' was an accurate description of a film or novel.

I'm influenced in this by my tutors on the MA in Creative &#038; Media Enterprises at Warwick - who put it in more academically rigorous language:

"'Creative industries' produce 'symbolic goods' (ideas, experiences, images) where value is primarily dependent on the play of symbolic meanings. Their value is dependent on the end user (viewer, audience, reader, consumer) decoding and finding value within these meanings... Furthermore, those who produce 'symbolic goods' are not necessarily or nor primarily motivated by financial outcomes; if they were, as Anthony Storr (1972, the dynamics of creation) suggests, they might decide to give up being artists and become stockbrokers.'
(Chris Bilton and Ruth Leary, 'What can managers do for creativity? Brokering creativity in the creative industries' - International Journal of Cultural Policy, 2002 vol.8(1)pp.49-64)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Personally I think of the creative industries as industries where creativity IS the product rather than a means of creating the product.</p>
<p>E.g. a lot of creativity goes into the development of a new drug or car, but most people probably wouldn&#8217;t think of these items as &#8216;creative artefacts&#8217; - whereas I think most people would say &#8216;creative artefact&#8217; was an accurate description of a film or novel.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m influenced in this by my tutors on the MA in Creative &#038; Media Enterprises at Warwick - who put it in more academically rigorous language:</p>
<p>&#8220;&#8216;Creative industries&#8217; produce &#8217;symbolic goods&#8217; (ideas, experiences, images) where value is primarily dependent on the play of symbolic meanings. Their value is dependent on the end user (viewer, audience, reader, consumer) decoding and finding value within these meanings&#8230; Furthermore, those who produce &#8217;symbolic goods&#8217; are not necessarily or nor primarily motivated by financial outcomes; if they were, as Anthony Storr (1972, the dynamics of creation) suggests, they might decide to give up being artists and become stockbrokers.&#8217;<br />
(Chris Bilton and Ruth Leary, &#8216;What can managers do for creativity? Brokering creativity in the creative industries&#8217; - International Journal of Cultural Policy, 2002 vol.8(1)pp.49-64)</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-26881</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:41:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I guess that's what I'm getting at. Clearly the 'creative industries' have some things in common that other industries (possibly with some creativity in them!) don't. What would you say they are?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that&#8217;s what I&#8217;m getting at. Clearly the &#8216;creative industries&#8217; have some things in common that other industries (possibly with some creativity in them!) don&#8217;t. What would you say they are?</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuinness</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-26878</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuinness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 13:08:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Richard, I agree that a web front-end doesn't make you creative! The distinction I'm making here isn't whether an industry is 'creative' or not, but whether it's considered part of the 'creative industries' sector. E.g. the pharmaceuticals industry requires a lot of creativity, but isn't usually considered part of the creative industries.

There's a separate debate to be had about whether the creative industries is a useful or valid concept per se...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard, I agree that a web front-end doesn&#8217;t make you creative! The distinction I&#8217;m making here isn&#8217;t whether an industry is &#8216;creative&#8217; or not, but whether it&#8217;s considered part of the &#8216;creative industries&#8217; sector. E.g. the pharmaceuticals industry requires a lot of creativity, but isn&#8217;t usually considered part of the creative industries.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s a separate debate to be had about whether the creative industries is a useful or valid concept per se&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Richard</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-26875</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 12 Mar 2007 12:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi,

I'm curious about this: why is web development considered creative, but the development of, say, a text message voting system is not? What's special about something with a web front-end? I'm not preparing to shoot you down, I'm genuinely interested!

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi,</p>
<p>I&#8217;m curious about this: why is web development considered creative, but the development of, say, a text message voting system is not? What&#8217;s special about something with a web front-end? I&#8217;m not preparing to shoot you down, I&#8217;m genuinely interested!</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Mark McGuinness</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark McGuinness</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Jul 2006 10:03:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>D'log - on reflection, no I don't, so I've revised the list. Thanks for a useful question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>D&#8217;log - on reflection, no I don&#8217;t, so I&#8217;ve revised the list. Thanks for a useful question.</p>
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		<title>By: D'log</title>
		<link>http://www.wishfulthinking.co.uk/blog/2006/07/14/research-project-definition-of-creative-industries/#comment-1587</link>
		<dc:creator>D'log</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Jul 2006 13:27:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You really want antique shop owners and techies who sell accountancy software in your mix?  Adding "Computer Services" is what has got the statistics on UK CI jobs growth into such a pickle.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You really want antique shop owners and techies who sell accountancy software in your mix?  Adding &#8220;Computer Services&#8221; is what has got the statistics on UK CI jobs growth into such a pickle.</p>
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